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		<title>By: Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</title>
		<link>http://jewmanist.com/2007/08/21/all-about-goderri-mean-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I was taught in Hebrew school that one &lt;b&gt;had&lt;/b&gt; to use &quot;G-d&quot;. Don&#039;t tell me about &quot;Jews&quot;. I was raised Jewish (as I&#039;ve mentioned many times), grew up in a Jewish community, went to Hebrew and Sunday school for a few years, and was Bat Mitzvah&#039;d in front of the Wailing Wall. (Not that the &quot;Bat Mitzvah&quot; means anything since women  aren&#039;t equal.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But if different people do things different ways, then why are you so insistent on your way being the only way. I don&#039;t care how you use it, but I&#039;m defending my position.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You really came off like your way is right and that&#039;s it. That seems kind of rude. And that&#039;s one of the things that theists try to hold against us.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;God is not a name and I don&#039;t think you have convinced me otherwise. If everyone uses it differently, then I am not expected to know all their rules.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you don&#039;t see a point in arguing further than don&#039;t. But I won&#039;t change my mind because you said its the only right way. I have a say and can make my point, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was taught in Hebrew school that one <b>had</b> to use &#8220;G-d&#8221;. Don&#8217;t tell me about &#8220;Jews&#8221;. I was raised Jewish (as I&#8217;ve mentioned many times), grew up in a Jewish community, went to Hebrew and Sunday school for a few years, and was Bat Mitzvah&#8217;d in front of the Wailing Wall. (Not that the &#8220;Bat Mitzvah&#8221; means anything since women  aren&#8217;t equal.)</p>
<p>But if different people do things different ways, then why are you so insistent on your way being the only way. I don&#8217;t care how you use it, but I&#8217;m defending my position.</p>
<p>You really came off like your way is right and that&#8217;s it. That seems kind of rude. And that&#8217;s one of the things that theists try to hold against us.</p>
<p>God is not a name and I don&#8217;t think you have convinced me otherwise. If everyone uses it differently, then I am not expected to know all their rules.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t see a point in arguing further than don&#8217;t. But I won&#8217;t change my mind because you said its the only right way. I have a say and can make my point, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidelis Maximus</title>
		<link>http://jewmanist.com/2007/08/21/all-about-goderri-mean-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>Infidelis Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve clearly hit a nerve here and didn&#039;t mean to.  My apologies.  Let me restate:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not saying there&#039;s only one right way.  From a grammar standpoint, there&#039;s no question that capital &quot;G&quot; is called for when referring to the primary monotheistic deity, just as it would were we talking about Gilgamesh.  But that doesn&#039;t mean you have to follow that rule.  I&#039;ve simply been trying to say that, in my opinion, there&#039;s no good reason not to.  IOW, there&#039;s no debate about what is correct grammatically.  But I respect your right to deviate from that if you want to.  It&#039;s not as though English grammar rules were written in stone.  If you want to make a statement about your contempt for Christians, Jews, or the Judeo-Christian deity, that&#039;s certainly your right.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the Jewish thing, I&#039;m descended from Jews myself, but most of my family stopped practicing a couple generations ago.  My mother was even born in a Jewish hospital.  I&#039;ve been to Jewish events my whole life and still have some relatives who are devout.  Some Jews avoid saying/writing &quot;God;&quot; some don&#039;t.  If you&#039;ll read the post I linked, you&#039;ll see that this is actually due to a misinterpretation of a passage in Leviticus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway, I certainly don&#039;t mean to come across as saying there&#039;s only one right way here.  &lt;i&gt;My suggestion&lt;/i&gt; is that you just follow the normal grammatical rules.  In my opinion, not doing so won&#039;t accomplish anything and will just irritate religious people.  It&#039;s like showing up to debate them in a Speedo--it&#039;s just disrespectful out of the gate and will only cause trouble.  If we ever expect any of them to listen to us, it works against that.  But that&#039;s just my opinion--please do whatever you&#039;re comfortable with.  I have been wrong before and certainly could be here.  Either way, I&#039;ll keep reading your blog with enthusiasm, just as I do every day :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve clearly hit a nerve here and didn&#8217;t mean to.  My apologies.  Let me restate:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying there&#8217;s only one right way.  From a grammar standpoint, there&#8217;s no question that capital &#8220;G&#8221; is called for when referring to the primary monotheistic deity, just as it would were we talking about Gilgamesh.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean you have to follow that rule.  I&#8217;ve simply been trying to say that, in my opinion, there&#8217;s no good reason not to.  IOW, there&#8217;s no debate about what is correct grammatically.  But I respect your right to deviate from that if you want to.  It&#8217;s not as though English grammar rules were written in stone.  If you want to make a statement about your contempt for Christians, Jews, or the Judeo-Christian deity, that&#8217;s certainly your right.</p>
<p>On the Jewish thing, I&#8217;m descended from Jews myself, but most of my family stopped practicing a couple generations ago.  My mother was even born in a Jewish hospital.  I&#8217;ve been to Jewish events my whole life and still have some relatives who are devout.  Some Jews avoid saying/writing &#8220;God;&#8221; some don&#8217;t.  If you&#8217;ll read the post I linked, you&#8217;ll see that this is actually due to a misinterpretation of a passage in Leviticus.</p>
<p>Anyway, I certainly don&#8217;t mean to come across as saying there&#8217;s only one right way here.  <i>My suggestion</i> is that you just follow the normal grammatical rules.  In my opinion, not doing so won&#8217;t accomplish anything and will just irritate religious people.  It&#8217;s like showing up to debate them in a Speedo&#8211;it&#8217;s just disrespectful out of the gate and will only cause trouble.  If we ever expect any of them to listen to us, it works against that.  But that&#8217;s just my opinion&#8211;please do whatever you&#8217;re comfortable with.  I have been wrong before and certainly could be here.  Either way, I&#8217;ll keep reading your blog with enthusiasm, just as I do every day :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Infidelis Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infidelis Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hussy, it&#039;s not just Christians that use a capital &quot;G,&quot; it&#039;s pretty much everyone who speaks English :-)  Even most atheists refer to the main monotheistic god with a capital letter, just as they would Buddha or Krishna or Jesus.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I don&#039;t see the point of discussing this further.  You&#039;re certainly entitled to do whatever you want.  But the argument that the Christians have it wrong because they are referring to a being that you (and I) believe does not exist does not hold up logically.  As I and others have already said, his existence or non-existence does not matter in this case.  I don&#039;t happen to believe Jesus of Nazareth actually existed, either, but I still uppercase the name when discussing the character from the Bible because it is a proper name.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;FWIW, I &lt;i&gt;do not&lt;/i&gt; use capital pronouns when referring to the Judeo-Christian god (or any other).  That&#039;s one case where I think they&#039;re taking the concept too far and are using incorrect grammar themselves.  I use the same rules with their god that I do with any other--I capitalize the name if it&#039;s a proper name, and I lower case pronouns for it just like I would for any other deity.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW, I didn&#039;t mean to insinuate you don&#039;t know basic grammar in case it came across that way.  Just stating my position.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW #2, not all Jews write God as G-d.  I have several relatives who are Jewish, and they don&#039;t.  I&#039;ve written in more detail about this in my &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://infidelismaximus.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-in-name-what-names-of-god-in-old.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s in a Name&lt;/a&gt; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hussy, it&#8217;s not just Christians that use a capital &#8220;G,&#8221; it&#8217;s pretty much everyone who speaks English :-)  Even most atheists refer to the main monotheistic god with a capital letter, just as they would Buddha or Krishna or Jesus.  </p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see the point of discussing this further.  You&#8217;re certainly entitled to do whatever you want.  But the argument that the Christians have it wrong because they are referring to a being that you (and I) believe does not exist does not hold up logically.  As I and others have already said, his existence or non-existence does not matter in this case.  I don&#8217;t happen to believe Jesus of Nazareth actually existed, either, but I still uppercase the name when discussing the character from the Bible because it is a proper name.</p>
<p>FWIW, I <i>do not</i> use capital pronouns when referring to the Judeo-Christian god (or any other).  That&#8217;s one case where I think they&#8217;re taking the concept too far and are using incorrect grammar themselves.  I use the same rules with their god that I do with any other&#8211;I capitalize the name if it&#8217;s a proper name, and I lower case pronouns for it just like I would for any other deity.</p>
<p>BTW, I didn&#8217;t mean to insinuate you don&#8217;t know basic grammar in case it came across that way.  Just stating my position.</p>
<p>BTW #2, not all Jews write God as G-d.  I have several relatives who are Jewish, and they don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;ve written in more detail about this in my <a HREF="http://infidelismaximus.blogspot.com/2007/08/whats-in-name-what-names-of-god-in-old.html" REL="nofollow">What&#8217;s in a Name</a> post.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also,&lt;br/&gt;If Christians use &quot;God&quot;, they do so because they are within the religion. I will not (nor should I be expected to) follow rules intended for people within a group in which I do not belong to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also,<br />If Christians use &#8220;God&#8221;, they do so because they are within the religion. I will not (nor should I be expected to) follow rules intended for people within a group in which I do not belong to.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;My advice: stick with the &quot;G&quot; convention and fight about the things that matter.&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks anyway but I don&#039;t plan on flip-flopping my position any time soon. I strongly believe that god is not a proper noun or name. I have taken an abundance of English classes so I know &quot;the rules&quot;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just because Christians use &quot;God&quot; as a name for their god, it doesn&#039;t mean I have to accept it without a say. I think they use incorrect grammar. Oh, but their god is too holy to have a lowercase &quot;g&quot;...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I rarely talk about a specific god because they are all equal in my eyes. Its selfish of the Christians to think I&#039;m referring to their god. And if I were referring to the Jewish god, I&#039;d have to spell it &quot;G-d&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Infidelis Maximus, are there special spelling rules for each god that you think I should know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;My advice: stick with the &#8220;G&#8221; convention and fight about the things that matter.&#8217;</p>
<p>Thanks anyway but I don&#8217;t plan on flip-flopping my position any time soon. I strongly believe that god is not a proper noun or name. I have taken an abundance of English classes so I know &#8220;the rules&#8221;. </p>
<p>Just because Christians use &#8220;God&#8221; as a name for their god, it doesn&#8217;t mean I have to accept it without a say. I think they use incorrect grammar. Oh, but their god is too holy to have a lowercase &#8220;g&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I rarely talk about a specific god because they are all equal in my eyes. Its selfish of the Christians to think I&#8217;m referring to their god. And if I were referring to the Jewish god, I&#8217;d have to spell it &#8220;G-d&#8221;.</p>
<p>Infidelis Maximus, are there special spelling rules for each god that you think I should know?</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Joe Kickass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain Joe Kickass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the religious sort &quot;are at a place right now where they&#039;d be patently offended at our departure from convention here&quot;,who cares?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I for one am sick and tired of hearing how we have to kiss their ass and not offend. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am Offended when I see &quot;in god we trust&quot; on my cash. That&#039;s the last non-entity I would trust. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the conventional wisdom dictates we respect their poppycock, I reject the conventional wisdom. It obviously has not worked for thousands of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the religious sort &#8220;are at a place right now where they&#8217;d be patently offended at our departure from convention here&#8221;,who cares?</p>
<p>I for one am sick and tired of hearing how we have to kiss their ass and not offend. </p>
<p>I am Offended when I see &#8220;in god we trust&#8221; on my cash. That&#8217;s the last non-entity I would trust. </p>
<p>If the conventional wisdom dictates we respect their poppycock, I reject the conventional wisdom. It obviously has not worked for thousands of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Infidelis Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infidelis Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hussy:  If you&#039;re referring to a specific character, rather than the general deity concept, proper grammar says uppercase the &quot;G.&quot;  If it&#039;s the general concept, then lowercase is proper.  So, if you say, &quot;Unlike the god worshiped by the Hebrews, the Greek god Zeus had a known origin...&quot;--you&#039;re spot on.  But if you say, &quot;God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh,&quot; you&#039;re also right because here &quot;God&quot; is a specific character.  Calling him Yahweh wouldn&#039;t be appropriate in this case because YWHW isn&#039;t used in that passage, Elohim is, and using Elohim would be even more meaningless to the general reader than Yahweh or Jehovah is.  My advice:  stick with the &quot;G&quot; convention and fight about the things that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hussy:  If you&#8217;re referring to a specific character, rather than the general deity concept, proper grammar says uppercase the &#8220;G.&#8221;  If it&#8217;s the general concept, then lowercase is proper.  So, if you say, &#8220;Unlike the god worshiped by the Hebrews, the Greek god Zeus had a known origin&#8230;&#8221;&#8211;you&#8217;re spot on.  But if you say, &#8220;God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh,&#8221; you&#8217;re also right because here &#8220;God&#8221; is a specific character.  Calling him Yahweh wouldn&#8217;t be appropriate in this case because YWHW isn&#8217;t used in that passage, Elohim is, and using Elohim would be even more meaningless to the general reader than Yahweh or Jehovah is.  My advice:  stick with the &#8220;G&#8221; convention and fight about the things that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose aka Intergalactic Hussy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about angelsdepart or any others who use &quot;g&quot;, but I&#039;m still not convinced &quot;God&quot; is the name of their god. I think its Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When I&#039;m discussing something about god, it is not about their god (anyone is selfish to think that). It could be any god. I could be referencing Zeus or one of the many Hindu gods.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m not trying to piss anyone off...to be honest it didn&#039;t even occur to me until angelsdepart pointed it out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I try to use proper grammar in other facets, but in this case I just don&#039;t believe its a proper noun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about angelsdepart or any others who use &#8220;g&#8221;, but I&#8217;m still not convinced &#8220;God&#8221; is the name of their god. I think its Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, etc.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;m discussing something about god, it is not about their god (anyone is selfish to think that). It could be any god. I could be referencing Zeus or one of the many Hindu gods.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to piss anyone off&#8230;to be honest it didn&#8217;t even occur to me until angelsdepart pointed it out.</p>
<p>I try to use proper grammar in other facets, but in this case I just don&#8217;t believe its a proper noun.</p>
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