The “issue” with Atheism
There are many degrees in how religious someone is, how deeply they believe, and what exactly they believe. I’m not sure what specific group I’m referring to (probably a little bit of all), but I have had some odd experiences I’d like to share. I’m also interested in seeing who has encountered similar experiences.
From strong believers in the Christian faith to irreligious deists, I have found that some instantaneously work the defensive just by me merely stating something as simple as, “I’m an atheist”. Some of those who are certain they believe, those who know there is a god, still immediately say “Well, you can’t change how I feel” when I had no intentions of doing so. I’m the last person to try to change someone’s mind when they are set in their ways.
Rereading the previous paragraph, it almost seems like I am leaving something crucial out, something else I said to make a believer be so defensive but that’s not the case. The furthest I’ve gone was to ask someone what they actually believe because I’m truly interested; I have yet to encounter two people who believe the exact same thing. Just by stating what I don’t believe or inquiring how they do believe, puts some believers on the defensive. Surely some like debate but I’m taking about those who generally don’t. The ones who feel debate means you’re trying to change them. The ones who feel so utterly strongly about something but when asked, they don’t know what it is they so fervently believe in.
Maybe that’s the “issue” with atheism. Surely not a real issue, but in the eyes of the god-fearing masses, its made into an issue. The mere mention of how I feel brings on a philosophical discussion without that being my intent. By someone saying he/she is a Christian and then the next person says he is a Jew and then the next Wiccan, its all good until… Until the idea of atheism, rationalism, godlessness, or a naturalistic world view is mentioned, then it becomes a discussion. Because believing in something, anything is so commonplace that just simply not believing is noteworthy enough to make it into an issue.
If one is so opposed to ever discussing anything about religion, then what does that say about his/her character? If a geometry teacher claimed to know everything about proofs and angles, but as soon as he was asked to explain and he refused… Well, he’d be one unemployed geometry lover. Oh, know but that surely can’t be an apt metaphor. Undoubtedly, someone will say, “There are some things you just don’t ever talk about: Sex, Politics, and Religion.” And that’s why all some people talk about is fashion, sports, and weather. That never gets boring?
Inevitably, sex, politics, and religion do come up. At some point, as humans, we have to figure ourselves out and know where we stand. I guess you can say that I just don’t understand the thinking behind believers who refuse to discuss what they strongly believe in. Moreover, I don’t get those who immediately assume the unbeliever is trying to change them. I don’t experience that often; I only have a few times, but enough to make me wonder, “Do they even know what they believe in? And how strong is that belief?”
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Fantastic post and so timely for me.
I had lunch with my Christian daughter yesterday and of course the subject cam up. She is worried for my soul. Whenever I say “thank you but I’m fine” she says “when you die you will understand, but it will be too late”.
I just want to live my life, enjoy my family and not have to face constant encounters with those who “worry for my soul”.
Actually, whenever I reveal my atheism I try to initiate the atheism/theism debate. It bothers me to carry on talking with someone that _knows_ I’ll burn in hell. I’d rather remind them that they have no proof of their claims. I’d rather they know about the immense amount of evidence against what they unscientifically believe in.
That tends to relieve a lot of the awkwardness and makes the subsequent conversations more honest, more productive. They stop looking down on you and question the “i’m right he’s wrong” label in their head.
excellent post Hussy. I have made this point often. Believers accept you as long as you believe in something supernatural no matter how incompatible it is with their belief, but believe in nothing and you are off you rocker.
Can I repost this at Secular Earth with a link back to you?
Be my guest.
Thanks.
That’s the thing with a lot of these people. Just the mere fact that we exist sends them into a tizzy. I think that Christians would prefer that we atheists were immoral and depraved people, because when we just go about the business of living our lives, we become a walking, breathing refutation of their beliefs.
Hi,
I just stumbled on your blog and found this post interesting. I am a Christian attending seminary to be a pastor. I think I break your stereotype for Christians, I would love to dialog with you and I never think I will change someones mind, as a matter of fact I am sure I can’t. It is up to God to change minds and I must merely proclaim His gospel. I am also sure you will not change my mind so I am not paranoid about whether or not you are trying.
Tommy, you atheists are immoral and depraved people, but not any more than we Christians are, we are all immoral and depraved people.
Alan
Hi Alan,
I’m not stereotyping Christians… This is my experience with theists, not necessarily Christians. I may have mentioned Christians once or twice but my post was about theists in general.
Also, I was raised Jewish, so I’m not the one to debate Christianity with. I barely post to this blog anymore… I have moved on from ranting and debating.
Thanks for stopping by.
Speak for yourself Alan.
The bulk of my waking hours are spent at my job, taking care of my kids, helping my mom out. Not much time for immorality and depravity in my life.
To exist as an atheist is to be a constant reminder to the theists that they are delusional. And they don’t like being reminded of that one bit!
And I concur with Tommy re: immoral and depraved. Why do people like living with all that silly guilt? It’s one thing to live a life calling yourself those things, but to insist that everybody else is immoral and depraved is just plain ignorant.
but why you no longer blog?
is it just a break you’re taking?
anyway, I linked you: visit me and see if you like to reciprocate. ciao!
To me it’s a category problem – not being part of one of the divisive spiritual teams doesn’t seem to be an option, so there is a label called atheism that puts you on the same conceptual plane. It doesn’t really work.
There are attitudes and values that some religious folk try to own as exclusive to religious communities. Kindness, patience, ethics – these are all, fundamentally, separate issues from doctrinal religious belief. I try to gently remind fanatics of all kinds that if there is some kind of God, our words probably cannot function to capture truths about that God-figure.
I like this post a lot – thank you.
I’ve tagged you with the big bang meme – play if you like, no worries if you don’t.
Miss Welby,
I still blog here occasionally, just not as much as I used to.
And thanks! I added you, too.
When you believe in an absolutist ideology, people who think otherwise are psychologically threatening.
I added you, too.
not to complain, but I can’t find the link!
never mind, most important is that you blog again. let me know when you do.
ciao!
Sorry ’bout that…I thought I put it up, but its up now!
i just started my own blog on atheism. i really liked your post…a lot…it is always nice to know that other people are going thru the same things. maybe you could check mine out? atheismisnotevil.blogspot
I really enjoyed reading this post.
I have seen examples of people being defensive through my own experiences as an atheist. I ask people about their religion out of genuine curiosity, but when they inevitably return the question and find out I don’t believe in any gods, they immediately appear to feel ambushed like I’m going to try to take their soul or something.
Discussing religion is interesting especially when you discover different people’s misconceptions about beliefs. I have a Christian friend and a Buddhist friend and we were discussing musicals. The Christian mentioned Jesus Christ Superstar and I stated that it was a good musical. She seemed confused and then said, “But how can you like it? You’re atheist.” She thought that I couldn’t possibly like something that I disagreed with. I asked her if she liked our Buddhist friend, and when she said yes, I replied, “But you don’t agree with her beliefs so how can you like her?”
excellent post Hussy. I have made this point often. Believers accept you as long as you believe in something supernatural no matter how incompatible it is with their belief, but believe in nothing and you are off you rocker.
Can I repost this at Secular Earth with a link back to you?