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		<title>By: Puddock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puddock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more, AH. One of the main tricks the creationists seem to use is to equate &#039;belief&#039; in a scientific explanation for life, the universe and everything with their own &#039;belief&#039; in a god as creator.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a divergence of vocabulary. If you take a step back from the two uses of the word, the root of religious &#039;belief&#039; lies in faith, as in &quot;I believe in the Virgin birth and life everlasting.&quot; whereas the root of scientific use of the word &#039;belief&#039; lies in the diffidence that all good scientists have in their hypotheses - as in &quot; I believe this to be true but it will require years of validation by other people to make it certain.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more, AH. One of the main tricks the creationists seem to use is to equate &#8216;belief&#8217; in a scientific explanation for life, the universe and everything with their own &#8216;belief&#8217; in a god as creator.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a divergence of vocabulary. If you take a step back from the two uses of the word, the root of religious &#8216;belief&#8217; lies in faith, as in &#8220;I believe in the Virgin birth and life everlasting.&#8221; whereas the root of scientific use of the word &#8216;belief&#8217; lies in the diffidence that all good scientists have in their hypotheses &#8211; as in &#8221; I believe this to be true but it will require years of validation by other people to make it certain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Barefoot Bum</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Barefoot Bum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zombie Feynman has a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://xkcd.com/397/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;simpler answer&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zombie Feynman has a <a HREF="http://xkcd.com/397/" REL="nofollow">simpler answer</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pirsig (Zen &amp; the Art etc)&lt;br/&gt;When I think of formal scientific method an image sometimes comes to mind of an enormous juggernaut, a huge bulldozer...slow, tedious lumbering, laborious, but invincible. It takes twice as long, five times as long, maybe a dozen times as long as informal mechanic&#039;s techniques, but you know in the end you&#039;re going to get it. There&#039;s no fault isolation problem in motorcycle maintenance that can stand up to it. When you&#039;ve hit a really tough one, tried everything, racked your brain and nothing works, and you know that this time Nature has really decided to be difficult, you say, ``Okay, Nature, that&#039;s the end of the nice guy,&#039;&#039; and you crank up the formal scientific method.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For this you keep a lab notebook. Everything gets written down, formally, so that you know at all times where you are, where you&#039;ve been, where you&#039;re going and where you want to get. In scientific work and electronics technology this is necessary because otherwise the problems get so complex you get lost in them and confused and forget what you know and what you don&#039;t know and have to give up. In cycle maintenance things are not that involved, but when confusion starts it&#039;s a good idea to hold it down by making everything formal and exact. Sometimes just the act of writing down the problems straightens out your head as to what they really are.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The logical statements entered into the notebook are broken down into six categories: (1) statement of the problem, (2) hypotheses as to the cause of the problem, (3) experiments designed to test each hypothesis, (4) predicted results of the experiments, (5) observed results of the experiments and (6) conclusions from the results of the experiments. This is not different from the formal arrangement of many college and high-school lab notebooks but the purpose here is no longer just busywork. The purpose now is precise guidance of thoughts that will fail if they are not accurate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The real purpose of scientific method is to make sure Nature hasn&#039;t misled you into thinking you know something you don&#039;t actually know. There&#039;s not a mechanic or scientist or technician alive who hasn&#039;t suffered from that one so much that he&#039;s not instinctively on guard. That&#039;s the main reason why so much scientific and mechanical information sounds so dull and so cautious. If you get careless or go romanticizing scientific information, giving it a flourish here and there, Nature will soon make a complete fool out of you. It does it often enough anyway even when you don&#039;t give it opportunities. One must be extremely careful and rigidly logical when dealing with Nature: one logical slip and an entire scientific edifice comes tumbling down. One false deduction about the machine and you can get hung up indefinitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pirsig (Zen &#038; the Art etc)<br />When I think of formal scientific method an image sometimes comes to mind of an enormous juggernaut, a huge bulldozer&#8230;slow, tedious lumbering, laborious, but invincible. It takes twice as long, five times as long, maybe a dozen times as long as informal mechanic&#8217;s techniques, but you know in the end you&#8217;re going to get it. There&#8217;s no fault isolation problem in motorcycle maintenance that can stand up to it. When you&#8217;ve hit a really tough one, tried everything, racked your brain and nothing works, and you know that this time Nature has really decided to be difficult, you say, &#8220;Okay, Nature, that&#8217;s the end of the nice guy,&#8221; and you crank up the formal scientific method.</p>
<p>For this you keep a lab notebook. Everything gets written down, formally, so that you know at all times where you are, where you&#8217;ve been, where you&#8217;re going and where you want to get. In scientific work and electronics technology this is necessary because otherwise the problems get so complex you get lost in them and confused and forget what you know and what you don&#8217;t know and have to give up. In cycle maintenance things are not that involved, but when confusion starts it&#8217;s a good idea to hold it down by making everything formal and exact. Sometimes just the act of writing down the problems straightens out your head as to what they really are.</p>
<p>The logical statements entered into the notebook are broken down into six categories: (1) statement of the problem, (2) hypotheses as to the cause of the problem, (3) experiments designed to test each hypothesis, (4) predicted results of the experiments, (5) observed results of the experiments and (6) conclusions from the results of the experiments. This is not different from the formal arrangement of many college and high-school lab notebooks but the purpose here is no longer just busywork. The purpose now is precise guidance of thoughts that will fail if they are not accurate.</p>
<p>The real purpose of scientific method is to make sure Nature hasn&#8217;t misled you into thinking you know something you don&#8217;t actually know. There&#8217;s not a mechanic or scientist or technician alive who hasn&#8217;t suffered from that one so much that he&#8217;s not instinctively on guard. That&#8217;s the main reason why so much scientific and mechanical information sounds so dull and so cautious. If you get careless or go romanticizing scientific information, giving it a flourish here and there, Nature will soon make a complete fool out of you. It does it often enough anyway even when you don&#8217;t give it opportunities. One must be extremely careful and rigidly logical when dealing with Nature: one logical slip and an entire scientific edifice comes tumbling down. One false deduction about the machine and you can get hung up indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Joe Kickass</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Hussy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Hussy!</p>
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