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I must blog now

Posted by on Mar 11, 2009 in Rants | 4 comments

Because I am utterly shaken and stirred. I just had a heated conversation someone who shall currently remain nameless, but is a fervent neo-conservative and not religious. That which seems to be so rare these days, I don’t know how to respond without somehow being offended. Especially when it comes to personal blows fueled from willful ignorance and unjustified frustration. (Side note: I don’t debate well and try to avoid it at all costs with most people.)

I shall vent in bullet points today:

  • Global warming is not a leftist scam.
  • Bush declared war on Iraq, while they were not the country who attacked us, but we are allies with Saudi Arabia. Hmm.
  • Spying in on every American’s phone calls and not giving them a fair trial is not protection.
  • The U.S. government has a history of socialist policies that benefit all such as the police force, fire safety, medicare, taxes in general, etc. Some oversight is sometimes necessary, but just sometimes.
  • Wishing that a large “leftist” city (much like the one I live in) would be blown up by terrorists is anti-American.
  • Not being happy with the “leftist” things kids are being taught in universities is pure bunk until you can give me just one example. (One concrete example that isn’t a vague grab at straws is all I ask.)

But oh of course evolution is real but I don’t believe that other people don’t believe it or really care if they want to teach Creationism; it doesn’t affect me and I don’t see it as any kind of issue. For someone who doesn’t believe in scripture literally or even care much for it…

W.O.W. (and not World of Warcraft, lol)

I’ve been denying the whole “two Americas” notion by saying that its not that simple- and for the first time I see it clearly. It does overlap and the media does oversimplify, but there is a lot of truth there. Too much really. Yet this goes far beyond a difference of opinion. Anytime an American is rooting for the country to fail or for those they don’t agree with to be killed by terrorists (or even a natural disaster) is surely un-American, if not anti-.

I wish we were “We the Purple”* but we just ain’t. :(

I never wished for Bush to fail. I honestly wish Bush would have continued on that fiscally conservative path we were promised, but instead he had to drive the dollar down the tubes. I never wished for terrorists to blow up anyone, no matter who they are or where they live. That’s simply appalling.

How would you get inside the head (for the purpose of understanding the argument) of a conservative who backs everything the Bushes and Palins of the political spectrum have to say BUT who is not a Christian?

* “We the purple? What the hell was that?” – Father to son on his essay topic, “Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington”, The Simpsons, Episode 8F01

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  • http://frodology.blogspot.com/ FrodoSaves

    First of all, serious props for the Simpsons reference. I watched that episode mere days ago.

    “That’s why, whenever I see the Stars and Stripes, I will always be reminded of that wonderful word: flag!”

    Second, I think what you have w/ your unreligious conservative friend is just a fundamentalist mindset. Fundamentalism is of course not the exclusive purview of the religious or even of the right. It’s merely adherence to a set of principles due to the rigid conviction of being right. While you and I might look at Bush’s presidency and think it left something to be desired, he might have thought it was a roaring success. We might say “it’s our turn to put things right,” and he might reply “why mess with a winning formula?” There are many on the left who are just as guilty of one-track thinking, though I have to admit those on the right tend to be more visible!

    Many conservatives have a very narrow definition of “American”, so it’s easy to see why liberal or even moderate policies might seem “un-American” to them. They need to be reminded that the US isn’t conservative or liberal; it’s a motley mash of the full spectrum. I frequently think that, as important as the Republican and Democratic Parties themselves, is the debate between them.

  • http://ericbroze.com/ Eric

    Well said, Frodo.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Volly Volly

    Neocons may not be “religious,” as in spiritually dogmatic, but they do have an object of worship, and that’s money. No doubt, your “friend” thinks Ayn Rand is the greatest writer of all time. Now that the religious right’s tide is ebbing, what’s left squirming on shore (not to mention trolling the shallows) are people like that. No “higher purpose,” no sense of kinship with the rest of existence, just “whoever dies with the most toys wins.”

    These are the grown-up versions of the kids who cried at being taught to share their toys with other kids – then, at some point, they were told no, you had every right to be upset. It’s the hippies and the homeless and the commies who are trying to take away your goodies – let ‘em rot.

    Avoid people like that; they are bad for the digestion. Especially when they fall on hard times and start whining for bailouts…

  • http://jewmanist.com Rose

    Thanks Volly. Accept for the Ayn Rand part, you’re on target ;) Actually, my friend doesn’t read at all. Surprised?

    lol Thanks! :)